tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post8969944631382426963..comments2023-05-02T23:19:12.706+10:00Comments on Armarium Magnum: Did Jesus Exist? The Jesus Myth Theory, Again.Tim O'Neillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-60086681202751006372015-09-24T05:18:06.859+10:002015-09-24T05:18:06.859+10:00On the question of the burial and tomb stories, I ...On the question of the burial and tomb stories, I found <a href="http://enoch2112.tripod.com/ByronBurial.htm" rel="nofollow">this article by Byron McCabe (a Christian)</a> very interesting. He argues that differences between the gospels show a development of the story to conceal evidence, clearest in gMark's version, that Jesus was given a "shameful burial" - the tomb he's Nick Gottshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12037533062720394685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-56862474562723006902015-02-16T10:17:54.604+11:002015-02-16T10:17:54.604+11:00"The person behind this, knowns way more than...<i>"The person behind this, knowns way more than me or you."</i><br /><br />The person behind this seems to be the idiot who refers to herself as "Acharya S" and who is an international laughing stock that even the other Mythicists find embarrassing. Her slack-jawed, braindead acolytes are not welcome here. Go away.Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-23548393147693242472015-02-10T13:57:39.690+11:002015-02-10T13:57:39.690+11:00"What this person is espousing is the "p..."What this person is espousing is the "partial interpolation theory," which I mention in my article - which he clearly didn't read, as is one of the behaviors of the very serious and widespread problem of non-experts pretending to be experts. If religion were a hard science like medicine, there would be a slew of people prosecuted for "practicing medicine without a licenseDormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17165694805041935930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-4433335541527564632015-02-10T13:52:08.495+11:002015-02-10T13:52:08.495+11:00He uses Robert Price and Earl Doherty as sources. ...He uses Robert Price and Earl Doherty as sources. He does not discuss the strongest arguments in favor of partial authenticity, probably because he is unaware of them.<br /><br />Reading that garbage is like reading creationism<br /><br />Kristoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16868744299989172597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-10325357469830737042015-02-10T13:46:55.980+11:002015-02-10T13:46:55.980+11:00Now we get the incoherent Dorian guy posting somet...Now we get the incoherent Dorian guy posting something which seems to be an anonymous comment by their alleged "expert". At least I think so - his garbled comments make it hard to tell:<br /><br /><i>"I certainly HAVE addressed the James passage in Antiquities 20, as have many other mythicists over the centuries."</i><br /><br />Yes. Badly.<br /><br /><i>"The part in Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-16699254700884509222015-02-10T13:39:45.165+11:002015-02-10T13:39:45.165+11:00"The point is that this particular study show...<i>"The point is that this particular study shows both the partial interpolation theory and view that the TF is genuine in toto to be WRONG.<br />"</i><br /><br />It tries to make that argument. To categorically declare that it does so is ridiculous. At best, it makes a case for that conclusion. The fact that you seem to want it to be somehow definitive doesn't make it so, sorry.Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-47939444460817536232015-02-10T11:50:33.845+11:002015-02-10T11:50:33.845+11:00The article by Hopper is absolute garbage. It does...The article by Hopper is absolute garbage. It does not once discuss Celsus, James the Brother of Jesus being in Josephus , or the discoveries of Shimo Pines. I found it to be incredibly week.Kristoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16868744299989172597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-22813694556227990502015-02-10T10:45:06.192+11:002015-02-10T10:45:06.192+11:00Atlantis Lady wrote the article, only thing she is...Atlantis Lady wrote the article, only thing she is an expert on is nonsense.Kristoferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16868744299989172597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-84864145977619940912015-02-10T10:43:39.909+11:002015-02-10T10:43:39.909+11:00Here you go:
Who is the "they?" I certa...Here you go:<br /><br />Who is the "they?" I certainly HAVE addressed the James passage in Antiquities 20, as have many other mythicists over the centuries. This non-expert doesn't know what he is talking about, as usual. The part in that passage clarifying "who was called Christ" is clearly an interpolation, and if James were the brother of a Jesus, it is the Jesus Dormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17165694805041935930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-84810490895273809192015-02-10T08:32:34.003+11:002015-02-10T08:32:34.003+11:00""And a majority of other experts disagr...""And a majority of other experts disagree. Funny how Mythicists don't like 'arguments from authority' right up to the point where they get a chance to make them themselves."<br /><br />Yes, we are aware that the prevailing view is the "partial interpolation theory," as this individual would have seen, had he bothered to read the article that he's Dormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17165694805041935930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-65175841577446615562015-02-10T07:51:47.310+11:002015-02-10T07:51:47.310+11:00"Expert states that Josephus is a forgery in ...<i>"Expert states that Josephus is a forgery in "toto". "</i><br /><br />And a majority of other experts disagree. Funny how Mythicists don't like "arguments from authority" right up to the point where they get a chance to make them themselves.Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-70887904475649444432015-02-10T05:41:15.550+11:002015-02-10T05:41:15.550+11:00http://www.examiner.com/article/jesus-passage-jose...http://www.examiner.com/article/jesus-passage-josephus-a-forgery-says-expert<br /><br />Expert states that Josephus is a forgery in "toto".Dormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17165694805041935930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-53630169838835988622015-02-08T06:48:09.371+11:002015-02-08T06:48:09.371+11:00"is it a stretch that maybe the Essenes who m...<i>"is it a stretch that maybe the Essenes who may have hidden the Dead Sea Scrolls away which included Jewish texts may have been the ones who wrote the Greek Gospels and adopted Greek myths to better spread their faith through the West? "</i><br /><br />Given that the Jesus Sect and the Essenes believed very different things and practised their beliefs completely differently, yes it Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-52288798125114867992015-02-08T02:12:35.246+11:002015-02-08T02:12:35.246+11:00"Price at least takes account of the fact tha..."Price at least takes account of the fact that the Jesus stories and the first members of the Jesus sect are completely and fundamentally Jewish, so fantasies about Egyptian myths or Greek Middle Platonic philosophy are not going to work as points of origin for them. "<br /><br />Philo of Alexandria was Jewish. The Gospels were not written by their pen names supposedly and were writtenthistleknothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07177887616238011640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-29930253699303523792014-11-20T09:09:35.462+11:002014-11-20T09:09:35.462+11:00@JRP
" However, isn't this proof-texting ...@JRP<br /><i>" However, isn't this proof-texting technique a reason to lean towards the non-historicity of the event, such as in Matthew's birth narrative, rather than try to look for an historical core behind the text, such as in the baptism of Jesus? "</i><br /><br />The key point in the argument isn't that they present Jesus as somehow "fitting" scriptures - Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-66516270531764792922014-11-20T05:15:04.372+11:002014-11-20T05:15:04.372+11:00Very informative post. I've got a question abo...Very informative post. I've got a question about the indicators of historicity that you mentioned, one of them being how the early Christians had to try to make Jesus' fate somehow "fit" with their scriptures, to the point of it almost being an apologetic line. However, isn't this proof-texting technique a reason to lean towards the non-historicity of the event, such as in JRPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08633544270796487585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-22258799311322197542014-10-31T04:41:25.824+11:002014-10-31T04:41:25.824+11:00@ Seb
If you have discovered a manuscript contain...@ Seb<br /><br />If you have discovered a manuscript containing Varro's long lost letters mentioning Hannibal, then yes that's a contemporary source for Hannibal. But Livy's use of them in a work written 150 years after Hannibal died does not somehow make Livy's work into a "contemporary" reference to Hannibal. So, no.Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-49927577789452050032014-10-30T22:19:41.849+11:002014-10-30T22:19:41.849+11:00Hi, isn't Hannibal Barca is discussed in lette...Hi, isn't Hannibal Barca is discussed in letters from Gaius Terentius Varro during his ambassadorship to Africa. He was one of the Generals at Cannae. The commentary was added to the official records in Rome with regard to the African expansion of 199BC. Further, those letters are referenced by Livy on several occasions.<br /><br />Is this actually a contemporary source? Thanks!Sebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08899335794121603836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-66449719599600550712014-09-27T10:52:36.807+10:002014-09-27T10:52:36.807+10:00Tim:
I just stumbled on your site last night. I ...Tim:<br /><br />I just stumbled on your site last night. I am a Christian. I have read a number of your articles on various subjects and find them well researched and reasoned. Thanks for making the time and effort to share your thoughts and insights. I am particularly impressed by how many commentators' remarks you respond to. Wow! That is a lot of work. Do you get paid time-and-a-half cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043689077872317309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-40697929765050431392014-09-12T14:39:56.902+10:002014-09-12T14:39:56.902+10:00Hello Ron.
"First, it only explains how the ...Hello Ron.<br /><br /><i>"First, it only explains how the most committed might continue in the faith while others would leave"</i><br /><br />No, it also explains how people in sects with high chiliastic expectations who have them shattered work hard to salvage their original beliefs from the wreckage, rather than just abandoning them. The idea that he was (somehow) "risen" Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-44231498216091146202014-09-12T14:16:42.958+10:002014-09-12T14:16:42.958+10:00Tim, excellent post. I have a question regarding ...Tim, excellent post. I have a question regarding one of your comments. A reader noted the Christian argument that Jesus must have risen from the dead because it is the only way to explain the success of Christianity after Jesus death by crucifixion. You said this is not a very good argument because believers can often hold onto their belief even when predictions fail. To illustrate, you wrote:Ron Cramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06489485815819841101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-13884166209326726072014-08-14T13:32:53.564+10:002014-08-14T13:32:53.564+10:00@Asturchale y Chulo
"However, I do believe t...@Asturchale y Chulo<br /><br /><i>"However, I do believe the birth of Jesus as in gMatthew rests heavily in Greek mythic tradition. I mean, the miraculous birth, an old king who fears the newborn whom the prophets claim will topple him, the massacre of the babies around, the way the chosen one flees and hides, then returns to fulfill the prophecy... Sounds too much like Zeus and Chronos, Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-36612274229381315692014-08-14T08:47:33.926+10:002014-08-14T08:47:33.926+10:00Great post, I enjoy the way those alleged champion...Great post, I enjoy the way those alleged champions of reason and skepticism are proven to be ignorant and gullible. Talk about irony! <br />However, I do believe the birth of Jesus as in gMatthew rests heavily in Greek mythic tradition. I mean, the miraculous birth, an old king who fears the newborn whom the prophets claim will topple him, the massacre of the babies around, the way the chosen Asturchale y Chulohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04494281062643252588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-28617851639662261992014-07-29T18:25:39.482+10:002014-07-29T18:25:39.482+10:00παραδόξων ἔργων = paradoxon ergon?
Otherwise, th...παραδόξων ἔργων = paradoxon ergon? <br /><br />Otherwise, this actually does not prove Jesus really existed. It's just the best explanation, on the grounds that a purely invented story would not include such things as e.g. crucifixion.<br /><br />But still the story as we know from Gospels is at least partly a fable: what about resurrection? Daniel N.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14585410511935134909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-1304608438565259842014-04-19T19:41:02.507+10:002014-04-19T19:41:02.507+10:00Even then, expecting a reply within five hours is ...Even then, expecting a reply within five hours is a curious expectation. Maybe he's disappointed you're unlike Neil "Instant Reply" Godfrey.<br /><br />We, on the other hand, congratulate you on that fact and other differences from Godfrey.Ignorancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08840540848601019925noreply@blogger.com