tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post7325298392880883898..comments2023-05-02T23:19:12.706+10:00Comments on Armarium Magnum: The Lost History of Christianity by Philip JenkinsTim O'Neillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-75735865917066120762013-11-17T08:48:42.352+11:002013-11-17T08:48:42.352+11:00I wanted to thank you for this great read!! I cert...I wanted to thank you for this great read!! I certainly loved every little bit of it.<br />I have you book marked to check out new stuff you post…<br /><br />Check out my blog post ... <a href="http://bestcuriocabinets.com/replacement-cabinet-doors.html" rel="nofollow">Replacement cabinet doors</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-62064983149561465562013-09-03T18:06:16.627+10:002013-09-03T18:06:16.627+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16382512480977176274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-41975938161073273972011-04-05T13:52:11.746+10:002011-04-05T13:52:11.746+10:00No, there can have been no English Church before o...<i> No, there can have been no English Church before one can usefully talk of England, semantically it's nonsense, yes, your point is fine. But it's only a point about the word, not the history.</i><br /><br />Since the "point about the word" was the only point I was making and since this is pretty bleeding obvious, I have no idea why you are continuing to bang on about Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-2663822999892501302011-04-02T05:22:26.469+11:002011-04-02T05:22:26.469+11:00My problem is that deciding the question of the ex...My problem is that deciding the question of the existence of an 'English Church' by reference to the name does so against the facts. No, there can have been no English Church before one can usefully talk of England, semantically it's nonsense, yes, your point is fine. But it's only a point about the word, not the history. Consider St Albans. This is a British Church. It remains a Jonathan Jarretthttp://tenthmedieval.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-46096151461850282832011-04-01T10:49:36.655+11:002011-04-01T10:49:36.655+11:00Correction: Jenkins didn't make the blunder, i...Correction: Jenkins didn't make the blunder, it was that Hans-Georg guy.Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-627075650010561582011-04-01T10:48:38.892+11:002011-04-01T10:48:38.892+11:00The point I'm making is simply about the "...The point I'm making is simply about the "name you put to the area". Calling Sub-Roman Britian "England" is like referring to the American colonies of 1708 as "the United States". It's a silly anachronism and an oddly basic blunder for a professional historian or his editors.Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-8954617060251366972011-04-01T01:41:22.219+11:002011-04-01T01:41:22.219+11:00Well, certainly but my point is that at least some...Well, certainly but my point is that at least some fragments of the Church are continuous between the two. So if you want to talk about the roots of Christianity in England your cut-off point can't be 'nothing before the <i>adventus</i>', because things before are obviously of relevance, whatever name you put to the area.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-3526128863825255592011-03-31T06:45:19.493+11:002011-03-31T06:45:19.493+11:00Thanks for your comments Jonathan. But ...
You m...Thanks for your comments Jonathan. But ...<br /><br /><i>You may need to revise it.</i><br /><br />I don't think I will. As I said, to refer to that area as "England" before any <i>English</i> people lived there makes no sense. You're talking about continuity of Christianity in Sun-Roman <b>Britain</b>. It didn't became called "Anglaland" until all those AnglesTim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-87867949395472655542011-03-31T01:43:28.204+11:002011-03-31T01:43:28.204+11:00I should have checked in a while ago, glad to see ...I should have checked in a while ago, glad to see you active again Tim, and what a book to start with, an excellent pointer for a subject I've been getting more and more interested in of late and frustrated by the lack of accessible literature on it. However, I can't let you get away with this:<br /><br /><i>Sorry, but you can't have a church in "England" before the arrival Jonathan Jarretthttp://tenthmedieval.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-26490729549011140912011-02-16T09:05:12.196+11:002011-02-16T09:05:12.196+11:00Hans-Georg:
Ask veterans from Algeria what they ...Hans-Georg:<br /><br /><i> Ask veterans from Algeria what they think about your "Muslims were no worse than Christians" thing. You might pass for an admirer of Runciman or something, i e an inveterate anti-Latin.</i><br /><br />This is now starting to get rather weird. I'm on the record as condemning Runicman for his biases, so it's bizarre to accuse me of sharing them. To Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-59339513357561514302011-02-16T02:00:29.924+11:002011-02-16T02:00:29.924+11:00It hadn't been so exceptional during the previ...<i>It hadn't been so exceptional during the previous centuries of Viking rapine and slaughter ...</i><br /><br />Ah, but the Vikings were not part of the Christian West.<br /><br />Guess why I got angry at a French right wing politician, whom otherwise I respect, when he called us Swedes "Vikings"! It was French and German missionaries that - without bringing any armies to invade usHans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-55669003083837158642011-02-16T01:25:37.232+11:002011-02-16T01:25:37.232+11:00No-one is saying those Nestorian scholars were rig...<i>No-one is saying those Nestorian scholars were right about everything or that there was no learning anywhere else.</i> --- <i>Byzantine crackdowns on "unorthodox" forms of Christianity saw many scholars flee to the relatively benign and receptive Persian Empire ...</i><br /><br />Certain people will construe that latter passage as implying such a thing, at least as implying learning Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-29365430818077201742011-02-15T21:48:15.841+11:002011-02-15T21:48:15.841+11:00Some fair points Hans-Georg, but a few are serious...Some fair points Hans-Georg, but a few are seriously overdrawn.<br /><br />(i) Sorry, but you can't have a church in "England" before the arrival of the English. That's simply nonsensical. It's like talking about post-Ice Age hunters in the Commonwealth of Australia.<br /><br />(ii) That Cosmas was wrong about the earth being flat and that John Philoponus was right about Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-78951478093099893802011-02-15T20:41:51.588+11:002011-02-15T20:41:51.588+11:00Lopsided comparisons again:
He notes that while i...Lopsided comparisons again:<br /><br /><i>He notes that while it is easy to find examples of violence and oppression in the Muslim conquest of Middle East and north Africa, they were actually less violent and oppressive than "the Normans who conquered England in 1066, ...</i><br /><br />But back in 1066 that was quite exceptional in the West. Besides within a hundred years Saxons had Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-71772503070816491902011-02-15T20:33:08.976+11:002011-02-15T20:33:08.976+11:00Byzantine crackdowns on "unorthodox" for...<i>Byzantine crackdowns on "unorthodox" forms of Christianity saw many scholars flee to the relatively benign and receptive Persian Empire and the scholarly Christian centres of Nisibis and Jundishapur flourished under the sponsorship and protection of the Sassanian shahs.</i><br /><br />That would typically include the well known flat earth geographer and Nestorian Cosmas Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-7873262908809989152011-02-15T20:28:25.029+11:002011-02-15T20:28:25.029+11:00I suppose this is review and not your own position...I suppose this is review and not your own position, Tim:<br /><br /><i>At a time when England had just two metropolitans - York and Canterbury - Catholicos Timothy presided over no less than nineteen, with 85 bishoprics. He headed a church which operated in many languages, including Syraic, Persian, Turkish, Soghdian, Chinese and Tibetan.</i><br /><br />Comparison with England is lopsided. Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-45499504738823915472011-01-27T11:56:25.466+11:002011-01-27T11:56:25.466+11:00Thanks for that, Tim. Good to see you back on air...Thanks for that, Tim. Good to see you back on air.<br /><br />I read this book last year, and have re-read it a couple of times since. Apart from teaching me a lot I didn't know, it also started to tie together loose threads on the edges of the things I did know.<br /><br />A valuable book indeed.Andrew Brewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974374883049619934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-73825254016146175522011-01-23T21:44:04.216+11:002011-01-23T21:44:04.216+11:00Dairmaid MacCulloch included a visit to one of the...Dairmaid MacCulloch included a visit to one of the Chinese churches in his documentary on Christianity.As I remember he was met by an angry peasant who was clearly fed up with visitors from the west. He went on to look at some of the Chinese Christian inscriptions but all too soon went back to the west- it would have merited a whole hour so it is good to see that there is now a good book out on Phil Beenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-72895687847958428062011-01-23T09:31:37.116+11:002011-01-23T09:31:37.116+11:00I don't know about my face, but if I had a dol...I don't know about my face, but if I had a dollar for every time I've been told I have a "radio voice" I'd be a rich man. Which audio software is "decent"?Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-88145317174195474422011-01-23T09:17:37.955+11:002011-01-23T09:17:37.955+11:00The success of a podcast depends heavily on whethe...The success of a podcast depends heavily on whether you've got a face for radio. And whether you can get hold of decent audio software.Endre Fodstadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-34368145013140777262011-01-22T21:31:10.042+11:002011-01-22T21:31:10.042+11:00"Have you ever thought of putting them out in..."Have you ever thought of putting them out in podcast form as well?"<br /><br />Actually, no. But that's not a bad idea ...Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-4892649902826540592011-01-22T21:24:20.541+11:002011-01-22T21:24:20.541+11:00I enjoy reading your reviews and am glad to find y...I enjoy reading your reviews and am glad to find you back after several months of silence. Have you ever thought of putting them out in podcast form as well?<br /><br />MikeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-335771440389641652011-01-22T20:44:08.136+11:002011-01-22T20:44:08.136+11:00Tim, I too enjoyed this review a lot, and for seve...Tim, I too enjoyed this review a lot, and for several reasons - (1) it was an interesting insight into something I knew nothing about (as the book itself must be), (2) I enjoyed reading a non-believer dealing with christian themes in a fair-minded way, and (3) as a christian I reckon there are lessons in this piece of history for me.<br /><br />Thanks a lot.unkleEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12207729664951716799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-48777669900075052902011-01-22T01:22:05.719+11:002011-01-22T01:22:05.719+11:00Happy to have you back!
That book seems a must ree...Happy to have you back!<br />That book seems a must reed.<br /><br />About the so called peoples of the book Remy Brague has written very sharp observations.<br /><br />http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/070803.html<br /><br />Although probably you already knew it.<br />Thanks for your posts. I'm already waiting for the next one.claudiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08867207336478957331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-36662182504868800922011-01-21T22:15:16.583+11:002011-01-21T22:15:16.583+11:00I am very happy to see a new post on Armarium Magn...I am very happy to see a new post on Armarium Magnum. Your books reviews display a degree of knowledge and good judgement that is scarcely found on the desolate shores of the blogosphere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com