tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post2618649238282826166..comments2023-05-02T23:19:12.706+10:00Comments on Armarium Magnum: Nailed: Ten Christian Myths that Show Jesus Never Existed at All by David FitzgeraldTim O'Neillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comBlogger155125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-72519962915251431032017-09-08T20:39:12.512+10:002017-09-08T20:39:12.512+10:00Tim, this was a great refutation of yet another Ne...Tim, this was a great refutation of yet another New Atheists' myth.Matshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08987079662636426114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-2062028224416574532016-12-01T06:11:18.638+11:002016-12-01T06:11:18.638+11:00Just wanted to thank you for writing this. I'm...Just wanted to thank you for writing this. I'm one of the people who don't have the background knowledge and I'm grateful to be able to see the research you've done here. Enjoyed reading the comments as well. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />ludwigsgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09335634562665221888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-63225198695701177502015-08-04T01:53:40.342+10:002015-08-04T01:53:40.342+10:00Baerista said...
"Jesus left no tangible evid...Baerista said...<br />"Jesus left no tangible evidence of his existence"<br /><br />This is simply not true. Jesus left the tangible evidence of his followers, for whose behaviour he is by far the most elegant explanation.<br /><br />================<br /><br />"Xenu left no tangible evidence of his existence"<br /><br />This is simply not true. Xenu left the tangible evidenceDark Starhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04356850749159919331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-83834936021568025422015-03-30T18:21:37.126+11:002015-03-30T18:21:37.126+11:00" I vehemently disagree with your treatment.
..."<i> I vehemently disagree with your treatment.</i><br /><br />Gosh. Why, exactly?<br /><br /><i>This is seminal work in the atheist arsenal."</i><br /><br />I suggest you look up what the word "seminal" means in this context. This little self-published booklet by a total nobody is not "seminal" and never will be. It's just a weak rehash of the same old weak Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-14425191685061404162015-03-30T16:03:07.976+11:002015-03-30T16:03:07.976+11:00I have read the book Nailed: Ten Christian Myths T...I have read the book Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All. I vehemently disagree with your treatment. This is seminal work in the atheist arsenal. It is such an important work. <br /><br />When I became an atheist in 1976, at first I thought that Jesus was an historical figure, but soon, I began to think that Jesus never existed at all. <br /><br />Reading the New Tim's Writinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00339379943601562456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-52437528625938333202015-01-24T11:34:48.091+11:002015-01-24T11:34:48.091+11:00I only just discovered this blog. Thank you for th...I only just discovered this blog. Thank you for the critique of Fitzgerald's book, although it seemed like mere recreation for you. I am amused at the five star reviews that Fitzgerald's book has garnered on Amazon.com, but he obviously has a lot of friends - or starry-eyed empty-headed followers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-77569995380861124732014-11-04T08:58:18.631+11:002014-11-04T08:58:18.631+11:00Davies' slightly surly article goes on to say:...Davies' slightly surly article goes on to say:<br /><br />"I don’t think, however, that in another 20 years there will be a consensus that Jesus did not exist, or even possibly didn’t exist, but a recognition that his existence is not entirely certain would nudge Jesus scholarship towards academic respectability."<br /><br />Except all but the most conservative scholars don't Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-22215912240538881742014-10-29T03:15:24.249+11:002014-10-29T03:15:24.249+11:00Here's a piece by Prof. Philip R. Davies, Prof...Here's a piece by Prof. Philip R. Davies, Professor emeritus of biblical studies at the University of Sheffield. Maybe puts the 'mythicist' debate in perspective. http://www.bibleinterp.com/opeds/dav368029.shtml "surely the rather fragile historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth should be tested to see what weight it can bear, or even to work out what kind of historical researchaj1964https://www.blogger.com/profile/11151120377700003355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-40449419808643759862014-09-09T12:43:35.851+10:002014-09-09T12:43:35.851+10:00"Has anyone ever read Pontius Pilate's wr...<i>"Has anyone ever read Pontius Pilate's writings?"</i><br /><br />No. No such writings exist.<br /><br /><i>"Pontius Pilate did write about Jesus."</i><br /><br />Then next time you get in your time machine to go back to Caesarea c. 30 AD, be sure to pick us up a copy.<br /><br /><i>"He would have no reason to discuss Jesus if Jesus did not exist."</i><br /><Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-64484039284323046502014-09-09T10:03:49.457+10:002014-09-09T10:03:49.457+10:00Has anyone ever read Pontius Pilate's writings...Has anyone ever read Pontius Pilate's writings? Pontius Pilate did write about Jesus. He would have no reason to discuss Jesus if Jesus did not exist.Java Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18384075996714108257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-10892072431366865882014-08-25T12:55:29.333+10:002014-08-25T12:55:29.333+10:00Yes, the usual pathetic weaselly snivelling and pi...Yes, the usual pathetic weaselly snivelling and picking of microscopic nits from Neil "Mr Furious" Godfrey, the world's most under-employed librarian. Nothing to see here.Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-62443862149084528442014-08-25T10:12:08.557+10:002014-08-25T10:12:08.557+10:00http://vridar.org/category/book-reviews-notes/fitz...http://vridar.org/category/book-reviews-notes/fitzgerald-nailed/oneill-fitzgerald-debate/Jonathan Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17238031961225345135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-48404291788074002182014-07-02T08:56:54.274+10:002014-07-02T08:56:54.274+10:00Is this how you approach everyone who questions yo...<i>Is this how you approach everyone who questions your judgement?</i><br /><br />It's how I respond to people who keep making weird comments. You keep telling me that I'm "only" showing sufficient evidence for a human Jewish preacher who got executed. I keep agreeing with you. Then you keep repeating that I'm "only" doing this, as though that is some kind of Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-64297322174390469092014-07-02T08:18:13.506+10:002014-07-02T08:18:13.506+10:00"That's all I'm sticking to. And all ..."That's all I'm sticking to. And all I have ever stuck to. So I have no idea why you keep posting these weird comments on my blog."<br /><br />Weird comments?<br />Is this how you approach everyone who questions your judgement?<br />Do you forget that I only commented on the futility of the myther-non myther argument... before writing a short on Boudica.<br />Nothing out of the Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06694185655592642479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-64414524821364256022014-07-01T19:38:14.465+10:002014-07-01T19:38:14.465+10:00However this is not the case if you are using sour...<i>However this is not the case if you are using sources that lack credibility. Using the gospels to prove Jesus, is like using the Argonautica to prove Jason. The gospels get so much wrong</i><br /><br />Then this still doesn't bother me because if they are "using the gospels to <i>prove</i> Jesus", I'm not. So we don't have a problem. I'm using the gospels the way Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-467496003505392962014-07-01T18:52:41.140+10:002014-07-01T18:52:41.140+10:00"I use these arguments because they make sens..."I use these arguments because they make sense. If some Christians use some of them as well, that tells us zero about the validity of the arguments. They might also say grass is green but that doesn't mean it isn't."<br /><br />However this is not the case if you are using sources that lack credibility. Using the gospels to prove Jesus, is like using the Argonautica to prove Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06694185655592642479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-35449236573136920222014-06-30T22:19:56.186+10:002014-06-30T22:19:56.186+10:00You are arguing that Jesus exists and using many a...<i>You are arguing that Jesus exists and using many arguments that Christians use</i><br /><br />I use these arguments because they make sense. If some Christians use some of them as well, that tells us zero about the validity of the arguments. They might also say grass is green but that doesn't mean it isn't.<br /><br /><i>David Fitz has managed to stress you out to the extent that Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-70042952037990344482014-06-30T22:10:43.197+10:002014-06-30T22:10:43.197+10:00Before I reply, I will state that I am not a mythe...Before I reply, I will state that I am not a myther and I did like the article. I have nothing against you and think we got off on the wrong for a little. <br />Anyway.<br /><br />"And this is somehow a problem because ... ?"<br />That is what you wrote. I took from it what I could. But now that it's all been cleared up, it's cool. Wires cross there on my part. Sorry about that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06694185655592642479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-63955117311598744332014-06-30T18:36:47.461+10:002014-06-30T18:36:47.461+10:00Asking a) why I have a problem
I didn't ask ...<i>Asking a) why I have a problem </i><br /><br />I didn't ask why you have a problem. I asked you why you think "only" showing that Jesus was a Jewish preacher should somehow be a problem for me. It isn't.<br /><br /><i>And this gets countered by atheist proving that Jesus existed with the same fervour of a priest.</i><br /><br />No, I counter it with the rigor of someone Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-15107712548624559602014-06-30T18:14:29.845+10:002014-06-30T18:14:29.845+10:00"I keep bringing what up?"
Asking a) why..."I keep bringing what up?"<br />Asking a) why I have a problem and b) why should people not be interested. It is not interest I argue against, rather the arguing - if that makes any sense lol<br />Interest is one thing, but it has just become one of those stubborn debates (not the article, that was sound. But the whole myther/non-myther argument).<br />Mythers don't just say "aAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06694185655592642479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-72962792028877118842014-06-30T17:53:25.891+10:002014-06-30T17:53:25.891+10:00You are missing it from what I said as at no point...<i>You are missing it from what I said as at no point ever did I say it. Not once.</i><br /><br />I have no idea what you're talking about. You didn't say what, exactly?<br /><br /><i>Yet you keep bringing it up. Why?</i><br /><br />Again, I have no idea what you're referring to. I keep bringing what up?<br /><br /><i>I wouldn't mind knowing two things.<br />1) Are you an Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-87290248396249917462014-06-30T17:35:42.962+10:002014-06-30T17:35:42.962+10:00You are missing it from what I said as at no point...You are missing it from what I said as at no point ever did I say it. Not once.<br />You can be as interested in him as you want. I myself must have some interest as I would not have stumbled across this blog in the first place. I have already stated that I don't have a problem with that. Yet you keep bringing it up. Why?<br />I read both my comments, read yours and think "is that what Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06694185655592642479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-76998647856114533932014-06-28T23:39:54.558+10:002014-06-28T23:39:54.558+10:00'VYes, a bloke called Jesus existed in the 1st...<i>'VYes, a bloke called Jesus existed in the 1st century.<br /><br />wow - who'd had figured?"</i><br /><br />I still can't see the problem for someone who is interested in history. Can you try to explain why I shouldn't be interested in this "bloke"? Because I'm missing that from what you've said.<br /><br />Try again.Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-22340402303666565992014-06-28T22:17:14.228+10:002014-06-28T22:17:14.228+10:00"And this is somehow a problem because ... ?&..."And this is somehow a problem because ... ?"<br /><br />I never said it was a problem.<br />I merely pointed out the futility of the argument.<br /><br />This whole myther.non-myther is basically a squabble over some bloke who we know nothing about, who just happened to die almost 2000 years ago.<br /><br />Why?<br /><br />He was not son of god, he did no miracles and 100% did not Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06694185655592642479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6774463840913796679.post-49476971481700675052014-06-28T08:30:00.006+10:002014-06-28T08:30:00.006+10:00"So yes, a Jew called Yoshua who preached in ...<i>"So yes, a Jew called Yoshua who preached in god and got a small following must have existed.<br />And that is all you will ever have really. "</i><br /><br />And this is somehow a problem because ... ?Tim O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00292944444808847980noreply@blogger.com